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	<title>Comments on: Musings on &#8220;community management&#8221; Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Beeline Labs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why wrong measurements can be bad for your community’s health…</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>Beeline Labs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why wrong measurements can be bad for your community’s health…</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on managing communities going on right now…Chris Brogan kicked it off and Nancy White wrote some interesting musings and also kept track of many of the other interesting links.   Posted in Communities, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on managing communities going on right now…Chris Brogan kicked it off and Nancy White wrote some interesting musings and also kept track of many of the other interesting links.   Posted in Communities, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Connie Bensen</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1627</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Bensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that I don't like the title of Manager. It is indicative of short-term, achieving goals within a given budget. 

We explored possible titles in the Comm Mgr Facebook Group
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=3553055120&#38;topic=4523</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that I don&#8217;t like the title of Manager. It is indicative of short-term, achieving goals within a given budget. </p>
<p>We explored possible titles in the Comm Mgr Facebook Group<br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=3553055120&amp;topic=4523" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=3553055120&amp;topic=4523</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eva Schiffer</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1622</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva Schiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nancy,
You really got me thinking again. One issue that shines through here, especially in asking: "Which organizations have the foresight to invest in it — and realize that those who help them weave their organizations in and out of the networks will benefit most from those networks?" revolves around control. 

I think this kind of organization would not only have to have the "foresight" to invest in this but also be prepared to trust that it can be a good thing to invest in something you cannot utterly control. I think for a lot of control and line-management focussed organizations, the idea of a free floating agent that somehow connects people and things across all these nice and orderly compartments and triggers strong dynamics towards open ends is a scary thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nancy,<br />
You really got me thinking again. One issue that shines through here, especially in asking: &#8220;Which organizations have the foresight to invest in it — and realize that those who help them weave their organizations in and out of the networks will benefit most from those networks?&#8221; revolves around control. </p>
<p>I think this kind of organization would not only have to have the &#8220;foresight&#8221; to invest in this but also be prepared to trust that it can be a good thing to invest in something you cannot utterly control. I think for a lot of control and line-management focussed organizations, the idea of a free floating agent that somehow connects people and things across all these nice and orderly compartments and triggers strong dynamics towards open ends is a scary thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Full Circle Associates &#187; More on community management (part 3 or &#8220;what&#8217;s in a name&#8221;)</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>Full Circle Associates &#187; More on community management (part 3 or &#8220;what&#8217;s in a name&#8221;)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] these blog posts with the words &#8220;community management.&#8221; After writing post 1 and post 2 on this topic (triggered by Chris Brogan), the words just feel wrong. But because this is the label [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these blog posts with the words &#8220;community management.&#8221; After writing post 1 and post 2 on this topic (triggered by Chris Brogan), the words just feel wrong. But because this is the label [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patti Anklam</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>Patti Anklam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Nancy,

I almost responded to your post yesterday about Chris's definition of Community Manager for the very reasons you bring up in your post today. It's a broader, more far reaching role and it is about extending and managing the network (as you say).

Sometimes I like to look at these "new" roles emerging in our Web 2.0 cloud and draw comparisons with extant organizational roles. Some that came to mind: Relationship/Partner management, brand management, marketing. These all Relationship Management in the 2.0 world is harder, because there is no fixed set of "partners" and communities (companies) need to always be on the alert for new opportunities in relationships and establishing connections at various levels of formality.

Brand management came to mind because of the need to stay aware of what others are saying about us, and commenting where needed to clarify and positioning. And marketing, of course, because "market in everything."

Thanks, both Chris and Nancy for an engaging conversation.

/patti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Nancy,</p>
<p>I almost responded to your post yesterday about Chris&#8217;s definition of Community Manager for the very reasons you bring up in your post today. It&#8217;s a broader, more far reaching role and it is about extending and managing the network (as you say).</p>
<p>Sometimes I like to look at these &#8220;new&#8221; roles emerging in our Web 2.0 cloud and draw comparisons with extant organizational roles. Some that came to mind: Relationship/Partner management, brand management, marketing. These all Relationship Management in the 2.0 world is harder, because there is no fixed set of &#8220;partners&#8221; and communities (companies) need to always be on the alert for new opportunities in relationships and establishing connections at various levels of formality.</p>
<p>Brand management came to mind because of the need to stay aware of what others are saying about us, and commenting where needed to clarify and positioning. And marketing, of course, because &#8220;market in everything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks, both Chris and Nancy for an engaging conversation.</p>
<p>/patti</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Brogan...</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brogan...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole bit is the nugget for me: 

"Instead we are talking about scanning for things important for our organizations - conversations about us, niches or needs we can fill, feedback and suggestions for improving what we do. It is filtering and redirecting those messages to where they can do good. It is a little bit like listening to the universe.

Instead of managing conflict or spammers in a walled community, we are seeking to make connections between people that advance our organization’s learning and goals. That includes between disgruntled people and the people who might address that problem, between ideas, links and content to people who might use them, and between communities that exist within the humus of the network garden.

Instead of spawning or archiving threads, we are tagging and remixing. Instead of inviting in or kicking out members, we are mapping the network of relationships, looking for where to respond, and where to catalyze action."

That has me thinking. I wish I could answer back with wit and engagement, but instead, I'm a bit silent at the points you've made, because you're at once both right and profound.  It's a lot harder than it looks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole bit is the nugget for me: </p>
<p>&#8220;Instead we are talking about scanning for things important for our organizations - conversations about us, niches or needs we can fill, feedback and suggestions for improving what we do. It is filtering and redirecting those messages to where they can do good. It is a little bit like listening to the universe.</p>
<p>Instead of managing conflict or spammers in a walled community, we are seeking to make connections between people that advance our organization’s learning and goals. That includes between disgruntled people and the people who might address that problem, between ideas, links and content to people who might use them, and between communities that exist within the humus of the network garden.</p>
<p>Instead of spawning or archiving threads, we are tagging and remixing. Instead of inviting in or kicking out members, we are mapping the network of relationships, looking for where to respond, and where to catalyze action.&#8221;</p>
<p>That has me thinking. I wish I could answer back with wit and engagement, but instead, I&#8217;m a bit silent at the points you&#8217;ve made, because you&#8217;re at once both right and profound.  It&#8217;s a lot harder than it looks.</p>
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		<title>By: Musings on “community management” Part 2 &#124; Management</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Musings on “community management” Part 2 &#124; Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeremy@Zawodny.com wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptMy last post was on the ground, in-the-flow practical stuff of online community management in response to Chris Brogan’s great post, On Managing A Community . This one climbs up to meta-ville a bit and asks a couple of questions. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="mailto:Jeremy@Zawodny.com">Jeremy@Zawodny.com</a> wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptMy last post was on the ground, in-the-flow practical stuff of online community management in response to Chris Brogan’s great post, On Managing A Community . This one climbs up to meta-ville a bit and asks a couple of questions. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Full Circle Associates &#187; Musings on &#8220;community management&#8221; Part 1</title>
		<link>http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2008/04/28/musings-on-community-management-part-2/#comment-1572</link>
		<dc:creator>Full Circle Associates &#187; Musings on &#8220;community management&#8221; Part 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Chris&#8217; observations about community managers. That is the content of Part 1. Check the next post for a more &#8220;meta&#8221; reflection in Part 2.  Skills, Experience and Qualities of a [...]</description>
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