--------------------- Maru: Hi Sia, happy t see you here, how are you? --------------------- sia vogel: don't know how to write my name, help...please --------------------- Maru: your name is already added Sia, you see the wrds "me" --------------------- Maru: but we see Sia Vogel --------------------- Maru: good sound nancy --------------------- Maru: perfect --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): yay --------------------- iamarf: yes --------------------- sia vogel: no I mean on the whiteboard --------------------- brucer 1: YES very nice --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): outstanding, perfect Nancy --------------------- mary.rearick@emich.edu: Perfect. --------------------- Todd Conaway: yes --------------------- sia vogel: Yes Nancy --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): I have a new system diagnostic that seems to mess up my settings --------------------- Maru: clear and ringing zesty voice --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Good Stephen! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): loud and clear --------------------- Maru: great now Stephen --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Bruce is asleep already!! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): smart man --------------------- Maru: Ohhhhh!!! --------------------- Maru: He missed you Nancy, pity for him --------------------- Maru: we have a good match today as usuall --------------------- Maru: ups! Not nice, keep missing each other --------------------- Maru: Fancy chairs Nancy! --------------------- Maru: let me try --------------------- sia vogel: no, won't talk today --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Yeah, Maru, better to be comfy. And to "see" each other across the circle --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Yup, can hear you! --------------------- brucer 1: sounds great --------------------- jennymackness 1: Fantastic to hear your voice Maru --------------------- brucer 1: sorry not microphone today --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Hey, Jenny, thanks for mentioning my name as a mind mapper. Was blown away. --------------------- Maru: Thanks Jenny --------------------- Maru: Jorge, good sound --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Glad you are comfortable, Jorge --------------------- jpachon: hi all --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Hi jpachon! --------------------- Maru: Hi Julia --------------------- Maru: do you want to test your mic? --------------------- jennymackness 1: @Nancy - my leasure --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): (Ah, secret code name) --------------------- jennymackness 1: pleasure! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Stephen, will you turn the recordingon when you are ready, or do you want me to do that/remember? --------------------- jon k.: could be leisure as well! --------------------- jpachon: yes i want --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): I'd like some leisure if you had any to spare. --------------------- jpachon: my real name is Juliana --------------------- jpachon: ok --------------------- jennymackness 1: No leisure to spare - sorry! --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): I will turn on the recording... what do I do to save it? --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): It saves into the system. So the trick is having admin rights to retrieve and get URL to publish. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: hi Maru, Matthias, Sia, Jon and all --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): ah, ok... because last time I turned it on, recorded, turned it off, kicked everyone out, and then logged off - that seems to have worked but it was George who acgtually found the recording --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Glen, we hear ya! --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: I forgot how to move text --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Your mic is open. --------------------- Maru: typind sounds --------------------- sia vogel: don't know how to write my name on the witheboard --------------------- Moderator (Nancy) to glen: Glen, you click on the arrow tool, then use it to move --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: Thanks --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @sia click on the "A" next to the whiteboard --------------------- Lisa M Lane: sia, would you like to join me in the comfy chair? there's room for 2! --------------------- lin armstrong: Glen can i sit on your knee -no more chairs --------------------- Lisa M Lane: that's better --------------------- sia vogel: thank you lisa! --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: @lin sure --------------------- jennymackness 1: Fantastic start Nancy --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: I'm on a big comfy couch and there is lots of room --------------------- Maru: there is room for three, can I join you Lisa ans Sia? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: absolutely, Maru, plenty of room --------------------- Lisa M Lane: now serving coffee in the comfy chair --------------------- sia vogel: Please Maru! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): ah, pass the coffee to the wiggly chair please!! --------------------- Maru: sorry, ot cofee today just tea --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): OK, starting in 10... 9... 8... --------------------- jpachon: i like coffee --------------------- mary.rearick@emich.edu: Hi Ines, there is room for you on the chair. --------------------- inescambiasso: thank you --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Laughing... no expert! Just avid practitioner! --------------------- DiegoLeal: Good day everyone! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Hey Diego!! --------------------- Maru: Thanks for bringing her here Stephen and thanks for being here --------------------- DiegoLeal: (Waving) Hi Nancy! --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): No problem --------------------- Maru: Sorry, urgent phone call, a patient will come bas as soon as possible --------------------- gina: hm , a lot of background noise --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): no, npt here --------------------- Todd Conaway: good here --------------------- gina: yes, thanks --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): no background noise here --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): Hiya Diego --------------------- Maru: Back --------------------- DiegoLeal: Hi there, Stephen! --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): Good slide --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: I think that the Obama campaign success will have a profound effect on the acceptance of web based communities. --------------------- Maru: May have to leave soon, sorry Nancy I really wanted to be here --------------------- Maru: tanks --------------------- Maru: no, p0lease continue --------------------- Vance in Abu Dhabi: Hi Maru, jump in --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): right, I agree --------------------- Lisa M Lane: or with whom you'd communicated by letter --------------------- jennymackness 1: You are high profile Nancy! --------------------- glen to eLearnspace, Nancy: sorry I acting like a eluminate newbie --------------------- Maru: Thanks Vance, nice to see you. Cannot comply though, paramedic will pick me up soon --------------------- Vance in Abu Dhabi: aiyiyai sounds serious, good luck --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): yup, me too --------------------- jon k.: the best reason to use ppt --------------------- jennymackness 1: Yes thats what PPt --------------------- jennymackness 1: are for --------------------- FrancesBell: Practices - that's great --------------------- Maru: @Vance, a patient Vance, needs to be interned in Hospital --------------------- Vance in Abu Dhabi: ok, Maru, good to take this away from the group though the moderators might see it and be distractied by it --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): (taking a sip of tea) --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): What do you think? --------------------- Maru: right --------------------- jon k.: hahaha --------------------- FrancesBell: I think practice is very important, and we haven't talked about it much on CCK08 --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Vance no reason to be concerned about that -- chat rarely follows the pres --------------------- jpachon: żNancy ...define this roles? --------------------- DiegoLeal: The importance of practice is especially important in formal education, I think... Usually we think that theory is the more determinant factor, but it's not... --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: I think that it takes time to absorb the new approaches -- how can they get there --i.e. to helpful technology -- professional development --------------------- FrancesBell: The disagreement seems to be about the scale of change --------------------- lin armstrong: New blogs have brought the degree course people a wealth of different and surprising outcomes --------------------- gina: scale of change? --------------------- DiegoLeal: Tradition, practices of others, and even hype are important factors in practice.. --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Juliana - which role are you referring to? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: you're good --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): working well Frances --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Are we afraid of change or the SCALE of change --------------------- jpachon: role the study, teach and tacnology in classroom --------------------- glen: Still trying to focusing on the topic of authority and control and the changing role of the teacher --------------------- jpachon: tecnology* --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: JoAnn: My sixteen year old is really keen that teachers learn how to adapt to new ways of learning --------------------- Christy Tucker: I think the change has to be iterative in some respects. You try new technology, then apply it a little in your teaching, then try something out. It isn't one first then the other, but back and forth between the two --------------------- Maru: bye --------------------- FrancesBell: ooh lots of fireworks from my window --------------------- glen: the role formerly know as "teacher" --------------------- glen: ? --------------------- jennymackness 1: I think it's not scale of change - but more how the teacher needs to change --------------------- brucer 1: rate of change will be different as you encounter a wideer range of age groups --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: Change is acceptable for only the amount people are willing to allow change. Therefore change needs to be iterative --------------------- glen: I still think that teachers should first be exempary learners and able to demonstrate their learning process --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: The technology is changing so fast with many components -- and many teachers need to pace themselves and what support is there? --------------------- jennymackness 1: A teacher only needs to change little by little --------------------- rheyden: There's anxiety for teachers around control, yes, but also the natural anxieties of wading into a world where your students know more than you do! So to support teachers in this change, we have to first support them as learners. --------------------- DiegoLeal: A lot of HE teachers do not give much attention to community building... It's not only a technology thing... --------------------- FrancesBell: ZPD for teachers --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Jo Ann when I envision what I want to do first,the tech doesn't seem to move that fast --------------------- FrancesBell: @Lisa you are very imaginitive --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @reheyden don't be fooled, they only know more in certain areas, most do not know how to learn through tect --------------------- Lisa M Lane: *tech --------------------- DiegoLeal to eLearnspace, Nancy: What about a poll? "What role do you identify with?" --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Frances basic sci fi stuff -- why can't all my students meet me in video online right now? --------------------- inescambiasso: lisa agree --------------------- jon k.: I think the approach has to be iterative to change because different teachers are at different levels of student "freedom" --------------------- Lisa M Lane: STephen you are echoing --------------------- FrancesBell: @Lisa Why can't you see my beautiful panorama of fireworks over Manchester nightscape on Bonfire night? --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): yup, done --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Frances and see it right now easily? (is it Guy Fawkes?) --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: @Lisa, my views for a virtual office networks require fundanmental change son how organizations are organized. What I want form the web is the semantic side, but that is baout 3-5 years away --------------------- FrancesBell: Yes - watch if you are Catholic --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @Lisa It takes me quite awhile to get the best technology fit -- then develop that to my students' need and then do a trial test, and then implement it and get feedback. What is the purpose of the use of the technology? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @bradley, exactly the tech is behind --------------------- DiegoLeal: Contradicts not only existing practice, but in many cases existing policies... --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Frances LOL --------------------- jpachon: lol --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Jo Ann I think the purpose has to come first --------------------- jon k.: so the theory is ahead of the technology? --------------------- rheyden: I very much like the notion of an "appreciative approach" - that sounds so simple, and yet so sensible. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @jon we can't even replicate the good stuff from classrooms yet --------------------- ruthdemitroff: Created google alert on community builders and only received information on virtual communities when I was thinking about neighbourhood community building --------------------- Christy Tucker: @jon, I think the theory is ahead of the infrastructure in general --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: @lisa, I also want a cellphone, portable web browser, computer, camaera, video recoder, and game controller that is small and no more difficult to use than my microwave --------------------- jennymackness 1: Yes - I think many teachers are not aware of how good they are --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @Lisa -- a real reflection on if the purpose is clear and how technology can assist and expand the potentials --------------------- glen: Role conflict, exert control (enforce orthodoxy) or facilitate learning --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Jo Ann exactly --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): oh no, not nasty! --------------------- jpachon: i agree Lisa M...tool exists but the classroom dont see --------------------- DiegoLeal: I'm not sure if theory is ahead of technology... Technology is shaping theory as well... --------------------- ctscho: Nancy's role sounds like it's hugely about listening --------------------- glen: @stephen agreed defensive --------------------- jpachon: role is a play? --------------------- rheyden: One aspect of the challenge for teachers is that the conversation too often revolves around the TOOLS (as in how spiffy they are) and not enough on the content and what they can DO with the tools. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: folks get less defensive if you start with what they want to change than if you start with technology --------------------- jennymackness 1: Nowadays its easier to subvert the system --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): aha, yes --------------------- Wendy Drexler: @Carlos I think I just stole your chair. --------------------- carlos: yes --------------------- carlos: I do --------------------- jennymackness 1: I think it can take longer Nancy --------------------- carlos: jajajjaja --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): right --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: I teahc for the Royal Military COllege and as a remote online instructor, I find it very difficult to know if my feedback is useful or not for changes to the online tools --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @Lisa and others-- yes -- then it is important to stimulate the right questions from the teacher/learners. What do they want to happen? --------------------- jennymackness 1: Modelling is a very important role --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): I'm reading back --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): Go ahead Lin --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): go ahead! --------------------- jpachon: the sounds is no good --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: I tried emailing the LMS admisntrator, the course designer, and even attended a nationa workshop organized by the LMS admisntrators, but no-one has ever asked me to trial something --------------------- jpachon: yes --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): yes --------------------- glen: yep --------------------- DiegoLeal: I've found lots of difficulties trying to show value. Sometimes the scope of these small changes is not as wide as many policy-makers would like... --------------------- Lisa M Lane: ew, course coordinator --------------------- FrancesBell: lots of peeps here --------------------- rheyden: Yes, starting small works well for teachers but not so well for policy-makers and decision-makers. --------------------- Christy Tucker: Bradley, are the people in charge just not open to change in general? Or are you using Bb or a system where changes aren't possible w/o switching to a new LMS? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @rheyden but the small efforts can be demonstrated to the big group --------------------- DiegoLeal: @rheyden How do we get policy-makers and decision-makers involved then? I still can't figure that out... --------------------- jennymackness 1: Money always talks - if you can show the financial benefits it works --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Christy we have that problem, have to create revolution to change an LMS, needs leadership --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @jenny not just money, also people -- here not enough IT people to shift --------------------- jon k.: quite often though there aren't financial benefits to good, sound pedagogical moves --------------------- rheyden: @LisaLane - indeed! And demonstrated in a context so that systemic change can be glimpsed. --------------------- jennymackness 1: @Lisa - my experience is that a very small group can do this --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): sorry joann - stepped on your audio. --------------------- glen: Still many conflicts that need to be addess in the power struggle between admin and IT. Teachers get lost in the debate --------------------- DiegoLeal: Then again, I'm talking about public organizations in my country, which it's not a very fast moving sector.. --------------------- Christy Tucker: @Lisa, good point. change management needs to come from both bottom and top --------------------- jennymackness 1: Yes - I agree with Lisa --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): How do we move the leadership? --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: no problem --------------------- FrancesBell: No one got sacked for buying IBM ! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): * Demonstration --------------------- sia vogel: most of my collegues don't even know what RSS can mean for them, i don't think the biggest problem is technology --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): * validation from the outside or similar groups --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): demonstration is key --------------------- jennymackness 1: and drip feed --------------------- ruthdemitroff: great oratory inspires --------------------- Lisa M Lane: Jo Ann, your mic is on --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Lisa: how to organize across institutions interests me --------------------- rheyden: @Diego that's the right question..grassroots leadership? finding models of systemic change that inspire? validation with assessment data? how do those sound? --------------------- FrancesBell: Motivation is key --------------------- sia vogel: agree frances --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Jon An, all my experience is subversive, sorry --------------------- Lisa M Lane: sorry, Jo Ann --------------------- Rob Robertson: think of it like trying to get financing - find an initiative that is important to leaders and show the solution enabled by the tools --------------------- Rob Robertson: if you can not correlate an initiative to the goal...do you have the right goal --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): I must admit to subversive behavior? --------------------- jpachon: why lisa is subversive ?? --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): So how much change is "enough" to keep us moving forward? --------------------- Christy Tucker: I think if you find a specific problem and can provide a solution with a new tool, you can get better acceptance for it. Everything we've had successful for change has been a solution to a real problem. Sometimes a subversive solution, but a solution nonetheless. --------------------- FrancesBell: If you are changing as a group need to find a pace that is sustainable and energy can be maintained. --------------------- jennymackness 1: Yes - I think that's common --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: This always seems to be about trust building -- which can be difficult if there are very conflicting invested interests --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: subervise power = show be the money/outcomes benefit. We have to leanr to write business cases --------------------- Christy Tucker: Good point Nancy--this isn't one or the other, but two different strategies with the same goal --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Can we make the conflicting interests discussable as a first step, Jo Ann? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: it's not always direct money -- it's often people --------------------- FrancesBell: Risky innovations safer when small and controllable --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Resources--> time is always a huge one --------------------- DiegoLeal: @rheyden Sounds good. Maybe I've come across very busy (or skeptic) leaders.. --------------------- ruthdemitroff: tradeoffs - what's gained/what's lost. nothing is pure gain. --------------------- jpachon: argue..it´s a risk??? --------------------- jpachon: resolve the conflic??? --------------------- Lisa M Lane: wow, money to experiment, what a concept --------------------- Liz Dorland: The global thinkers are often not the best to develop the concrete plan--I always say that I need a partner who brings the "other side of my brain." How do you identify and work with "that person?" --------------------- jennymackness 1: Attack on many fronts! --------------------- rheyden: I also think that teachers are extremely pressed for time and continue to see these new technologies as "something extra", on top of what they're already doing. So, one key element of any experiment is to demonstrate efficiency as well as results. --------------------- DiegoLeal: @Liz that's a good point.. --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Yes -- I've done some of that -- again it is about persistence on my part -- how much "free" time do I invest -- or do I go somewhere else and go where the energy is? or both? I tend to just chip away and see what happens -- trial and error. I'm studying what works for others. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @rheyden Indeed they do! that's why it needs to be in the context of solving a problem they have --------------------- jennymackness 1: @ Jo - yes I agree with that approach --------------------- rheyden: @LisaLane AMEN! --------------------- Christy Tucker: @Jo Ann, I think trial and error is a big part of it. When it changes so fast, that's the best way. Little rapid prototypes --------------------- ruthdemitroff: technology seems transient compared to disciplines like philosophy, history, etc. --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): no problem --------------------- jennymackness 1: @ruth - technology changes the way we think about teaching --------------------- Liz Dorland: me too --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): how do we develop loose ties with little time and many people? --------------------- glen: Very encouraged to see that the Canadian feds are adopting wikis. http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=3fcb24f9-22c9-4e91-8656-2a252c1e8cd4 --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Thanks for the support -- sometimes I keep with a more optimistic take on things -- I regroup. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @ruth, depends on what you mean by technology --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): they're all waiting for 'the answer' --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): right --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): - being attentive --------------------- jennymackness 1: this is about change management --------------------- glen: Social media needs a few more exemplars and postitive press reports --------------------- Lisa M Lane: sometimes that is too BIG a goal --------------------- jennymackness 1: change leadership? --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: My Project Manager told me to take the time to do some research, define the problem, build a sceanrio and options and costs, and a plan to create action. Otherwise, you will bitch for years about nothing getting done. --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Yes, using my time strategically -- through my loose tie support and getting inspired that I'm attending to what I need to be aware of and doing --------------------- jennymackness 1: greater flexibility --------------------- glen: @ jennymackness Go Obama! --------------------- sia vogel: it's also about change the teachers moods i think --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @jenny -yes change management -- great field --------------------- Lisa M Lane: yes, we need all this to be assumed --------------------- jpachon: depent the context to develop --------------------- FrancesBell: @bradley - just pretend you did that - retro-fit --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): I hear you --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @Frances excellent subversive strategy --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Millson, M.R. & Wilemon, D. (2008), Article Educational Quality Correlates of Online Graduate Management Education in the Journal of DE, 22 (3) --------------------- jennymackness 1: one of my managers told me - don't ask - just do it. If you ask the answer could be no! --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @jennymack yup --------------------- ctscho: Maybe the idea that change can happen in the corners, rather than with a big out front push as "leadership" might be an interesting idea. "Skunkworks," perhaps? --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @I like the "do it" and develop it and keep looking for things that can be applied -- and market it --------------------- jennymackness 1: Distributed leadership --------------------- arieliondotcom: How about "we've already obligated the money so we have to spend it" (!!) Can't you UNobligate it?! --------------------- glen: Part of the problem with long term studies about tech adoption is that stuff is changing so fast. By the time the study is complete, tech has moved on --------------------- sia vogel: be happy with very little staps --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): (Add ideas to white board?) --------------------- ruthdemitroff: GM prime example of a company unwilling to invest in technology or adapt to change --------------------- Lisa M Lane: yes, but once you've applied it to your prof development, you want to use it in your work --------------------- jennymackness 1: Lose your ego - don't ask for recognition --------------------- DiegoLeal: @Lisa I really think that you apply things in prof dev after you make sense of them in your personal life.. --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Infrastructure is a big question - and what we mean by it --------------------- ctscho: @jenny Yep --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @DiegoLeal I'm not at all sure that's necessary --------------------- FrancesBell: JISC makes no long term commitment to such projects- sustainabilitiy - look for Emerge in 1 year's time --------------------- Kristina H: interesting discussion. too bad that i came late and already have to leave. have a nice evening / day / morning y'all. --------------------- sia vogel: bey kristina --------------------- Liz Dorland: Yay CDB! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): By Kristina --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): bye --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: My dual monitor study involved 42 hour sof my time spread over 1 month and 20 pilot testors. Cost of experiment $6K. Ramifiacations, $100K for new monitors and roll out. Savings was conservative at $2 million. The pilot would determine savings --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: @Jo Ann, I don't think a healthy self drops the ego altogehter -- if I get less ego -- I might not need to do andything at all -- but the thing is not to get stuck on one track --------------------- Lisa M Lane: our IT guys don't share, they implement, even when it's not ready --------------------- glen: @bradley. shoebottom bravo! very neat and tight research --------------------- Lisa M Lane: we get stuck with lousy tools --------------------- arieliondotcom: We have th eopposite monitor problem. THEY h ave two so I want two! --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: My latest dilmena is changing our Sharpoint security model to allow collaboration from outsiders on insiude documents. Finally, I got the head of IT services time for 30 minutes and exlplained wha tI needed to do and he explained how it was set up or could be set up. --------------------- sia vogel: in my institute all workers can have their own website, but very less makes one. what is possible is not the samne as what teachers will use. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @bradley we had same problem with a teacher who needed Chinese class to access a Bb class here -- no way --------------------- sia vogel: we need very much time and patience to let them see how nice it can be --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @sia most of our instructor web pages are also blank --------------------- carlos: @ Sia in my institution is the same... official websites dont work --------------------- glen: @Lisa unfortunately many IT folks, even those who work in education, don't see education as an IT function --------------------- carlos: blogs and wikis thats rocks --------------------- Lisa M Lane: our official college site is now controlled by the Public Info office --------------------- sia vogel: but why not. it can be a good begin? --------------------- DiegoLeal: We are planning a few more of those workshops, btw... --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Infrastructure people need to be generous --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): now I'm reading back again --------------------- FrancesBell: @bradley - sharepoint license structure a barrier --------------------- jon k.: @glen should academic instruction be an IT thing though? --------------------- carlos: @because they give you too much tools and too complicate --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: @Lisa Our conservation generated a common understanding becasue IT had not communicated the security model to anyone. WE have a solution for storage of docuemtns that will work and will require about 2-3 hours of traingin and dvelopment work to get it to work and set up the template to model to others --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: yes --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: no --------------------- jennymackness 1: Not me --------------------- jon k.: nope --------------------- rcjones: no --------------------- arieliondotcom: No. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: web 2.0 subversive activity is the only way to do this in many places --------------------- lin armstrong: no --------------------- Vance in Abu Dhabi: no way --------------------- carlos: What? --------------------- Adrian Hill (Open School BC): tacit bupport --------------------- lin armstrong: x --------------------- rheyden: my own time. --------------------- Lisa M Lane: too many people's jobs depend on controlling the tech --------------------- glen: @jon IT professionals working in education should see themselves as educators --------------------- Mark Friedman: on my own time, which is being pulled 5 different ways most days --------------------- ctscho: Time may be more significant sometimes than money --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @glen be careful with that -- some want to tell teachers what to do --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: I had to get our IT department to allow the Moodle site through the firewall becasue U of MAnitoba picked a non-standard port for their site --------------------- FrancesBell: I know LTs who use academic as term of abuse --------------------- jon k.: quite often though IT doesn't have the edcational background to comprehend academics --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @jon I don't need them to comprehend it, I need them to support it --------------------- DiegoLeal: Incentives... That's another huge mindshift required.... --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): yup --------------------- glen: @Lisa that is the problem with the role bound nature of education --------------------- Mark Friedman: Never has been about technology....Humans hate change --------------------- Lisa M Lane: @glen that is the problem with running education like a business --------------------- jon k.: to me to support it properly, you should at least understand what's going on in the classroom --------------------- carlos: I get today my salary.... and I am so happy --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Can administration support something they do not comprehend, invest in personally or profession? --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): http://www.peterblock.com/commun.html --------------------- jpachon: be creative --------------------- ruthdemitroff: As a housewife, the computer is my access to free information, free technology, etc. My husband has a continuing ed fund - I do as well by searching --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: It would look like the Obama campaign --------------------- mary.rearick@emich.edu: For nearly forty years, I have focused on questions and issues related to literacy education. I have joined with practitioners and scholars in the United States and abroad in examining literacy issues. As a teacher and teacher educator I have chosen to invest time and energy into learning. This focus on learning bought me to connectivism and to the course. Those of us who are innovating education put in a lot of time and we work deliberately and cooperatively within constraints. We are appreciative of the diverse efforts and contributions, and we ask questions and we listen....Educational change takes effort and time. --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Mary-- YEAH!!! --------------------- Lori Landay: I've gotta run. Interesting discussion today. Bye --------------------- lin armstrong: lol its nearly 6pm here! --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): LOL --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): I love real life --------------------- Lisa M Lane: oh sure, start that at four minutes to the end! --------------------- FrancesBell: say agin SD --------------------- jennymackness 1: No - context is all important --------------------- FrancesBell: How many of these will SD and GS do? --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: the learner knows but we could tally --------------------- Lisa M Lane: LOL --------------------- sia vogel: for me it is a succes! --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): lol --------------------- arieliondotcom: Does Connectivism allow "this is the standard" when Connectivism implies change/growth? --------------------- mary.rearick@emich.edu: Thank you, Nancy. I visited your site today, and I found the resources wonderful! Thank you. --------------------- ruthdemitroff: At the end, the participants need to summarize what worked and didn't for them --------------------- Moderator (eLearnspace): http://www.mcconnellfoundation.ca/default.aspx?page=140&lang=en-us --------------------- FrancesBell: Success if people and connectivism have learned - as anetwork --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Thanks Nancy -- I really liked your openning on PP and the discussion --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Thanks for the time together, all! --------------------- FrancesBell: Thanks Nancy --------------------- glen: Thanks Nancy --------------------- Lisa M Lane: anyone else having trouble getting into the blog or moodle forum with the 83? --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Sorry about the tight time today! Another plane landing in 3 minutes. --------------------- Rob Robertson: Thank you Nancy --------------------- lin armstrong: you really helped my undestanding today --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: sorry, had a call come in and didn't know my mike was live. Could not find out how to mute my Elluminate audio without muting my softphone --------------------- jpachon: thanks and bye --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): Yup, see y'alla gain tonight. --------------------- rheyden: Yeah, Nancy!! Thank you VERY much. --------------------- Moderator (Nancy): No worries, Bradley --------------------- DiegoLeal: Great to hearing you again, Nancy (as usual)! --------------------- ruthdemitroff: Thanks. I missed the beginning but will try to catch it tonight --------------------- sia vogel: thanks nancy, stephen and others --------------------- jcrom: Thanks Nancy --------------------- FrancesBell: @bradley - nearly heard your secrets --------------------- ctscho: Thanks! --------------------- arieliondotcom: Sorry I missed most of it. Post the file quick, Stephen! --------------------- jennymackness 1: Thanks Nancy - great session --------------------- Jo Ann Hammond-Meiers: Thanks everyone --------------------- Christy Tucker: thanks everyone --------------------- DiegoLeal: Thanks Stephen! --------------------- bradley.shoebottom@innovatia.net: thnaks stephen, thanks for the mike hint --------------------- Wendy Drexler: Bye all.